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MysteryJayhawk · #1 07-29-2010, 02:19 PM

It involved former Arizona coach Lute Olson and his promotion of four on-campus events from 2006-2008 which involved prospective student-athletes.

The school didn't get hit with a postseason ban, didn't lose any television time and wasn't crushed with a significant loss of scholarships.

The school had already self-imposed numerous penalties – and the most significant addition from the NCAA came with the loss of another scholarship in 2012-13 and also cutting in half the number of official visits for the next two years.

http://community.foxsports.com/goodmanonfox/blog/

This will hurt Lute Olson's legacy at Arizona.

papadeuce · #2 07-30-2010, 01:19 PM

Hey Mystery, AZ fan here, just wanted to weigh in. First off, this is my first post on the site, but I like to check in on your fans' thoughts from time to time. As far as Lute's legacy is concerned, I have to agree that outside of Tucson, this may hurt him a little, but I don't think it's going to hurt him one bit in T-Town. He's basically been given a free pass on anything that happened towards the end of his career (minus leaving us in limbo for three seasons) based on the minor stroke. The vacated wins won't matter in the grand scheme of things and the fact that no postseason/tv bans were included won't do too much to recruiting. I think the biggest loss comes in the reduction of scholarships in the future. I know we were counting on that 2012-2013 schollie to be there and it's going to be tough to find some room for players now.

I like coming to this site to check in on the recruiting conversations since we're frequently after some of the same recruits, even though you guys somehow seem to end up with all of 'em! You guys look to have some good talent coming in this year (especially selby), so good luck to you out there.

See you guys on the recruiting trail, GO CATS!

MysteryJayhawk · #3 07-30-2010, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by papadeuce

Hey Mystery, AZ fan here, just wanted to weigh in. First off, this is my first post on the site, but I like to check in on your fans' thoughts from time to time. As far as Lute's legacy is concerned, I have to agree that outside of Tucson, this may hurt him a little, but I don't think it's going to hurt him one bit in T-Town. He's basically been given a free pass on anything that happened towards the end of his career (minus leaving us in limbo for three seasons) based on the minor stroke. The vacated wins won't matter in the grand scheme of things and the fact that no postseason/tv bans were included won't do too much to recruiting. I think the biggest loss comes in the reduction of scholarships in the future. I know we were counting on that 2012-2013 schollie to be there and it's going to be tough to find some room for players now.

I like coming to this site to check in on the recruiting conversations since we're frequently after some of the same recruits, even though you guys somehow seem to end up with all of 'em! You guys look to have some good talent coming in this year (especially selby), so good luck to you out there.

See you guys on the recruiting trail, GO CATS!

Welcome to the board! I enjoy visiting your site from time to time also.

You are probably correct that Lute won't be hurt in Tucson. However, it is a blemish that Lute will be held accountable for otherwise. We agree that your biggest loss comes from the reduction in scholarships but it can be overcome over time.

Good talking to you and good luck!

RockChalkWoody · #4 07-30-2010, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by papadeuce

I think the biggest loss comes in the reduction of scholarships in the future. I know we were counting on that 2012-2013 schollie to be there and it's going to be tough to find some room for players now.

I believe that the reduction in official visits to your campus will actually sting worse. It's no secret that Miller is struggling when it comes to getting "Elite" East coast talent to look at Zona (i.e., guys like Lamb & Selby were never real options). The staff will have to be very selective in inviting only the kids that are realistic options. Then again, there seems to be a few local Arizona kids (i.e., Johnson & Carson) that don't need to take official visits so that will most likely help.

papadeuce · #5 07-30-2010, 05:14 PM

Couldn't agree more that the reduction in visits is going to hurt as well. I must say I was impressed that Miller was able to get the "elite" talent to come visit even though we didn't end up with any of those players. Going three years without a legitimate recruiting class has left us where we are today, so I'm glad to see the kids are at least looking at us. You're definitely right that we didn't have a realistic shot at landing any of them, but I can't say I would turn down a trip to Tucson at 18!

As for being selective, I couldn't agree more. The scary thing to me is how many offers we have sitting out there and how few slots we actually have available. I'm not sure how kids feel about getting pressure like that (let's face it, when you offer as many as UofA has, it's applying pressure to be one of the first to accept) or how their parents feel.

KU is in a good spot right now attracting the elite talent like Selby and others recently and I don't see that changing anytime in the near future. It'll be interesting to see how Self manages the new faces, because it will tell a lot about how he fits the puzzle together (now and in the future). I know nobody on here likes Coach Cal (nor do I!), but he's been pretty good at getting his teams to mesh and if Self does equally well, look out. Speaking as an outsider, I'd have to say that this years KU class is one of Self's better classes and he better get them working together if he'd like to continue getting that kind of talent. I have no doubt he's more than capable of it, but it's going to be interesting watching it all unfold. Good news is, unlike UofA last year, at least your not starting 4 freshman.

RockChalkWoody · #6 08-03-2010, 06:22 PM

So much for the streak:

http://azstarnet.com/sports/basketba...3c6483979.html

"Meanwhile, UA's once-ballyhooed 25-year NCAA tournament appearance streak between 1985 and 2009 no longer officially exists. Johnson said the NCAA staff determined a year ago that vacated games can no longer be counted as appearances.

Therefore, UA's longest NCAA tournament streak is 14 years, from 1985 to 1998, which is tied for fifth in the NCAA records. UA vacated its 1999 appearance for violations involving former standout Jason Terry, but the school had considered the appearance as counting toward the streak.

The UA's another streak was eight from 2000 to 2007.

North Carolina still holds the nation's top tournament streak, at 27, while Kansas now has the nation's second-leading NCAA tournament with its current run of 21 straight years.

Johnson said he formerly had it in his books that vacated games did not affect streaks but was told during a staff meeting last year to change that practice.

The changes have been implemented in the NCAA men's basketball record book for 2011, which will be available online this fall."

MysteryJayhawk · #7 08-03-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RockChalkWoody

So much for the streak:

http://azstarnet.com/sports/basketba...3c6483979.html

"Meanwhile, UA's once-ballyhooed 25-year NCAA tournament appearance streak between 1985 and 2009 no longer officially exists. Johnson said the NCAA staff determined a year ago that vacated games can no longer be counted as appearances.

Therefore, UA's longest NCAA tournament streak is 14 years, from 1985 to 1998, which is tied for fifth in the NCAA records. UA vacated its 1999 appearance for violations involving former standout Jason Terry, but the school had considered the appearance as counting toward the streak.

The UA's another streak was eight from 2000 to 2007.

North Carolina still holds the nation's top tournament streak, at 27, while Kansas now has the nation's second-leading NCAA tournament with its current run of 21 straight years.

Johnson said he formerly had it in his books that vacated games did not affect streaks but was told during a staff meeting last year to change that practice.

The changes have been implemented in the NCAA men's basketball record book for 2011, which will be available online this fall."

That's only fair and good for college basketball.

CalHawk · #8 08-03-2010, 07:46 PM

If it weren't for that post-season ban in 1989 we would have a 27 year streak going into this season.

MysteryJayhawk · #9 08-03-2010, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CalHawk

If it weren't for that post-season ban in 1989 we would have a 27 year streak going into this season.

Interesting, thanks for pointing that detail out. Shows we have had a pretty good overall run with a one year infractions interruption.

RockChalkWoody · #10 08-04-2010, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CalHawk

If it weren't for that post-season ban in 1989 we would have a 27 year streak going into this season.

Isn't that amazing? I'm always telling my 10-yr-old that we (fans) take it for granted that every year we're going to be in the tourney. Every other program in the last 20+ years has had at least one down year (Duke, UNC, etc.).

MysteryJayhawk · #11 08-04-2010, 08:40 AM

It is simply amazing and yes, Kansas fans do take it for granted. We are proud of our basketball program.

JayhawkLifer · #12 08-04-2010, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RockChalkWoody

Isn't that amazing? I'm always telling my 10-yr-old that we (fans) take it for granted that every year we're going to be in the tourney. Every other program in the last 20+ years has had at least one down year (Duke, UNC, etc.).

So true. We are spoiled as fans, (I'm the first to admit it), but it sure is nice nonetheless.

It's too bad we had that infraction year or we would be tied with UNC right now. Oh well, here's to breaking their record in 7 years.

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