Weis Missing On Recruits

[sbruning29]

Coach Weis has a lot of work to do. We missed on two KEY recruits that we really needed in order show that we own the area. We missed on both Nick Ramirez and Trent Hosick... This is not good folks. We need guys like these in our program

[dester30]

Those guys were both considered heavy mizzou leans from the beginning. It's going to take some time to win back the mo side of kc. We need to win and hopefully Missouri's move to the sec begins to deteriorate their kc base. And if we start winning we can start to take over.

[Rockchalk]

wow, we are already chewing Weis for recruiting failures?

[sbruning29]

Originally Posted by Rockchalk

wow, we are already chewing Weis for recruiting failures?

No. I am a big ku football supporter. It is not "chewing" weis. I still support him. It just is very disappointing to see us continue to miss time and time again on guys like there. I know they were mu leans early and everything, but we need them, and theres no reason for us to miss on those kind of guys

[JayhawkJunkie]

Originally Posted by sbruning29

Coach Weis has a lot of work to do. We missed on two KEY recruits that we really needed in order show that we own the area. We missed on both Nick Ramirez and Trent Hosick... This is not good folks. We need guys like these in our program

Do we really need a cballer act on the football thread? Please don't say we shouldn't settle for anything less than a National Championship.

[sbruning29]

Are you kidding me? I am not even being negative. I am being critical of our recruiting right now. If we want to continue being bottom dwellers in the Big 12, this kind of stuff will keep happening. If not, we will get these kids of guys on campus. And yes, ultimately, the goal every year should be to compete for a Championship.

[JayhawkJunkie]

Originally Posted by sbruning29

Are you kidding me? I am not even being negative. I am being critical of our recruiting right now. If we want to continue being bottom dwellers in the Big 12, this kind of stuff will keep happening. If not, we will get these kids of guys on campus. And yes, ultimately, the goal every year should be to compete for a Championship.

Maybe better said would be: "We missed on Ramirez and Hosick, two kids who were Mizzou leans all they way but once Weis has a year or two recruiting in this area, these are the type of kids we need to sign. Fortunately what he has done with this class so far is a good start. We start showing improvement and possibly a winning season this year or next, will help. After that, the sky is the limit and possibly by the time his contract is up in 5 years we'll be competing for championships and he'll decide to stay."

That's basically saying the same thing and "not even being negative."

You lost me on the "not" negative part with

Coach Weis has a lot of work to do. This is not good folks.

Seriously man, he's been here 3 months and brought in several impact players. I think he knows as well as you he has work to do but as of now, it's ALL good folks.

[sbruning29]

First of all, there is nothing wrong with being a realistic fan. I am a realist. Lets see what this team does before you make Weis out to be some savior. He has added some decent transfers, but he needs in state talent badly, and those two are guys in state that would be big time players for us.

[pgittemeier09]

Originally Posted by sbruning29

First of all, there is nothing wrong with being a realistic fan. I am a realist. Lets see what this team does before you make Weis out to be some savior. He has added some decent transfers, but he needs in state talent badly, and those two are guys in state that would be big time players for us.

since they reside in kcmo they are technically "out of state"

[kuballin10]

They were missery leans and honestly to a high school kid playing in the sec even at missery is a better football conference than the big 12.

[JayhawkJunkie]

Originally Posted by sbruning29

First of all, there is nothing wrong with being a realistic fan. I am a realist. Lets see what this team does before you make Weis out to be some savior. He has added some decent transfers, but he needs in state talent badly, and those two are guys in state that would be big time players for us.

couldn't agree more. If that's what you initially said, I wouldn't have commented at all. I especially like: "Lets see what this team does before you make Weis out to be some savior." I obviously misunderstood because I thought by you being alarmed ("this isn't good folks") that we missed on those two, you must of thought he was the Messiah to think we had a chance at them after 3 months. You might as well have been concerned that we missed on Green-Beckham.

[CalHawk]

Originally Posted by sbruning29

First of all, there is nothing wrong with being a realistic fan. I am a realist. Lets see what this team does before you make Weis out to be some savior. He has added some decent transfers, but he needs in state talent badly, and those two are guys in state that would be big time players for us.

Here's the thing, your posts sound alarmist, not realistic. The most talented regional guys are not going to KU based on reputation alone. The top recruits want to go where they have an inkling of what to expect at the program. We won't have that until we have a season or two under our belt. We're not a traditional football program, so we have to build that credibility. It is UNreasonable to expect KU, no matter who is on the coaching staff, to come in and steal players away from established programs. That is the opposite of being a "realistic" fan.

What Weis can do, is make KU noticeable. He can get players to take a peek, when before, it would have only been a joke they smirk at. That doesn't mean a commit, it just means, they might be willing to listen. Until we can show what we want to be, you're just not going to steal the type of recruit you're alarming everyone about that we "missed" on.

[shinanigins]

Weis has brought in more talent in 4 months then Gill did in 2 years. It will take time for some recruits to come around to KU because they need to see us win. If Weis can't win games then recruits won't come.

[Crimson Army]

Wait until mizzou is solidly lower middle of the pack in the SEC in 3 years. Kids will start looking elsewhere for a better shot at winning something. Especially since that joke of an institution has turned its back on Kansas City. Moving to the SEC is going to be something they regret.

[sbruning29]

The point is, we just allowed missery to get two outstanding area guys. Coach Weis has a chance to turn things around and to do that he needs to get these type of players.

You can be a dumb fan and just say "They were leans to mu the whole time" or you can be smart and think "we need these guys in our program." There needs to be a different mentality with guys like these in our fan base.

[pgittemeier09]

Originally Posted by sbruning29

The point is, we just allowed missery to get two outstanding area guys. Coach Weis has a chance to turn things around and to do that he needs to get these type of players.

You can be a dumb fan and just say "They were leans to mu the whole time" or you can be smart and think "we need these guys in our program." There needs to be a different mentality with guys like these in our fan base.

now im not trying to make this a huge argument or trying to insult you, so heres a question for you

lets say theres a 5 star guy here kcmo or wichita or whatever and they go to miami. now ku definitely needs kids like that to turn around the program fast, but if they have no interest then i mean what else could weis do to get them? i mean just cuz a kid is local doesnt mean he wants to go to ku. that doesnt mean we dont need them we need it just means we cant get them

[CalHawk]

Originally Posted by sbruning29

You can be a dumb fan and just say "They were leans to mu the whole time" or you can be smart and think "we need these guys in our program." There needs to be a different mentality with guys like these in our fan base.

This just makes no sense. You act like it was just a matter of KU extending the offer. Its not even based in reality. I can say, "We need at least 10 of the ESPN Top 150" all I want, that isn't going to make it so. Recruiting actually does involve time and money and it does no good to waste resources on players not interested in you. There has to be reciprocation on the other end.

Now, if you can show me quotes to the effect of "I was really interested in Kansas, but they never contacted me", by these players, your point has more validity. But your reasoning seems to fall into the "You can 'want' in one hand, and you know what in the other and see which fill up faster" category.

[dwiedenmeyer]

Originally Posted by sbruning29

First of all, there is nothing wrong with being a realistic fan. I am a realist. Lets see what this team does before you make Weis out to be some savior. He has added some decent transfers, but he needs in state talent badly, and those two are guys in state that would be big time players for us.

Cozart is an instate kid and the reigning Gatorade player of the year in Kansas if I'm not mistaken, and you knocked the signing because you said he isn't good enough for the Bid 12.

At your age I expected to get the best recruits as well because I loved my team and couldn’t understand why others wouldn't. I also thought anyone other than sproles that I played against wasn't worth a shit (I was clearly wrong and blinded by competiveness). Maybe you should wait until you are out of high school and have a solid understanding of how recruiting works before you rant and flip flop and get compared to cballer and rbird because nobody wants that attached to their name.

[sbruning29]

Lets be honest, I am nothing like cballer of rbird because I am disappointed in recruiting right now. You may think I am stupid and know nothing about recruiting, but that is also not true. Calhawk, in that situation you need to do everything you possibly can to convince him that ku is a winner.

I understand that you may think i am ranting about this, but I am not. I just want more. I know that those were two guys that we needed and we pissed, period! And if you want to know what football recruits in the area think about KU, read the link below. I think you all should want more, because we need it. Also, i am not some huge
weis hater or anything, I will judge him based on how we do!

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/...es/?tigerextra

Rock chalk

[dwiedenmeyer]

Originally Posted by sbruning29

Lets be honest, I am nothing like cballer of rbird because I am disappointed in recruiting right now. You may think I am stupid and know nothing about recruiting, but that is also not true. Calhawk, in that situation you need to do everything you possibly can to convince him that ku is a winner.

I understand that you may think i am ranting about this, but I am not. I just want more. I know that those were two guys that we needed and we pissed, period! And if you want to know what football recruits in the area think about KU, read the link below. I think you all should want more, because we need it. Also, i am not some huge
weis hater or anything, I will judge him based on how we do!

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/...es/?tigerextraRock chalk

First off the Columbia tribune probably isn't the most unbiased source of material. Secondly Royce Boehm is a coach not a player, thus no high school player is quoted in this article as saying anything bad about KU. Royce has also openly admitted that he is a mu fan and wanted his son to go there over more traditional powers, so again not an unbiased source. We don't know what Weiss did or didn't do when it comes to those kids. What we do know is he was far behind on them by the time he was named our coach. Let's hope for a good season and see what recruiting does during this season and more importantly after next season.

[Foam]

Originally Posted by sbruning29

First of all, there is nothing wrong with being a realistic fan. I am a realist. Lets see what this team does before you make Weis out to be some savior. He has added some decent transfers, but he needs in state talent badly, and those two are guys in state that would be big time players for us.

After reading your posts, you are in no way a realist. Your comments are frankly, ridiculous.

[sbruning29]

So it is ridiculous to expect us to land the best area players? Because that is HCCW goal, as he said from day 1. I know you all think it is completely unrealistic, but its really not. We can start getting guys like these. I do agree Crimson Army, that in 3 or so years, if MU goes down hill and we succeed under Weis, area recruiting will get easier. But as for now, we need to start landing big time area guys. I was really really really wanting these two, but now we need to keep focus on the rest of the area guys

[KansasPhog]

Well, I guess we should just fold up the game board and go home. HCCW just started the game what not even 6 months ago. On top of that you expect him to be all over players that pretty much have been committed to Missery for probably 2 or more years.

Well I got some bad news for you we are not a destroyer and can turn on a dime, we are more like a great big lumbering aircraft carrier and its going to take a few minutes to get things like recruiting turned around. It will happen so to start a thread bitching like this is just stupid and some what inmature.

[shinanigins]

Originally Posted by sbruning29

So it is ridiculous to expect us to land the best area players? Because that is HCCW goal, as he said from day 1. I know you all think it is completely unrealistic, but its really not. We can start getting guys like these. I do agree Crimson Army, that in 3 or so years, if MU goes down hill and we succeed under Weis, area recruiting will get easier. But as for now, we need to start landing big time area guys. I was really really really wanting these two, but now we need to keep focus on the rest of the area guys

I think we could land more area recruits with time but you can't expect everything to just change overnight. We obviously have done a better job already with HCCW and their is still room for improvement. Once we begin playing and winning more games, showing some progress, then those recruits will pay more attention to us. We got a few guys on reputation and potential this year and a few guys due to connections (ND transfers). Now we need to win to get the recruits that care about results.

You kind of sound like you are use to video game recruiting where even crappy schools can land whoever they want for whatever reason but some recruits care about results and we won 2 games last season.

[sbruning29]

Haha no i am not speaking of some video game recruiting, but what you said does make sense. I understand that these two were MU leans for a long time, but it would have been a huge step in the right direction if we got them. I will be very pleased if we can turn it all around soon, but it is going to take a long time unless we can start getting guys of this caliber. Just look at Mangino, it took him a long time. I love all of your confidence in Weis and I hope you are all right about winning right away.