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Old 04-04-2012, 02:54 PM
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That was the headline from this Lexington, KY, newspaper article. Very PRO Calipari and his recruiting and coaching system. Might not like what this reporter says, but he makes some sense with what he's said. This whole one and done thing is really changing college basketball.

NEW ORLEANS — The clock was well past midnight. One Shining Moment had long departed the Superdome video screen. The NCAA championship trophy was sitting on the carpet inside the Kentucky locker room.

Outside stood John Calipari, weary and happy and a tad defiant.

"There's a lot of angry people right now, that said you couldn't do it," the Kentucky coach was saying. "Tried to put the black hat on me and all that stuff. They're not real happy."

Those mad men (and women) better get used to it.

Monday night wasn't the end of something, it was probably the beginning.

"If this was 1985, I'd have all these guys back and we'd be trying to go undefeated next year," he said. "It's not 25 years ago. It's now."

No one has figured out "now" better than John Calipari.

That's because right here, right now, all the nation's top prep basketball players live and breathe the same thing. They want to go pro. They want to get paid.

They want to help their families and their circumstances and help themselves in a tangible monetary way that four years of college promises but doesn't immediately deliver.

They want to go from a culture where everybody seems to get rich but them to a culture where they are the empowered ones, where they are the ones who cash the checks.

As a certain Indiana singer said, "Ain't that America?"

These days, the college landscape is short on freedom, and long on hypocrisy.

Example: Duke's Mike Krzyzewski is losing his second straight point guard to the NBA ranks after a single college season, and somehow it's Calipari that's "Coach One-and-Done."

Or, as they were saying Monday night, "Won-and-Done."

The guess here is that Calipari isn't done. For him, one is not enough. There is still too much to disprove.

The thinking was that you couldn't succeed relying on freshmen. Cal changed that. The thinking was that you couldn't get AAU all-stars to play together. Cal changed that.

The thinking was that you could win big with such a formula, but you couldn't win the title. Monday night, Cal changed that, too.

"I just do what I do," he said afterward.

Right now, he's doing it better than anyone else.

Monday, Calipari proved his "now" doesn't just work for the players, it works for the school and the fan base and the program in general.

There was not one peep of trouble out of this basketball team.

Florida's Billy Donovan went out of his way to compliment their demeanor. Vanderbilt's Kevin Stallings talked about his admiration for the way they played the game.

Even Rick Pitino, yes, Rick Pitino, said Saturday night that he had not always liked some of the recent Kentucky teams, but this one was praiseworthy.

I was on Paul Finebaum's radio show last week when he played a clip of another radio host calling Calipari a cheater and wanted my reaction.

I gave it my standard line. I said I couldn't say for sure if any coach is clean, or any coach is dirty. I could say that if I were a player who wanted to make it to the NBA, who wanted to play in a system where my talents would be showcased in a way that wasn't stifling or restrictive, Calipari would be at the top of my consideration list.

But I now know I left out something.

If I were a player who wanted to do all those things in front of a ridiculously supportive fan base as part of a legendary tradition, with teammates that will sacrifice for the common good, and for a coach who will go to bat for my best interests, wouldn't I consider Calipari?

See, the biggest misconception these days is that these kids want to do it by themselves, that they want to be the star.

Not true. Most actually want to play with players just like themselves. They want to be a part of something — a part of something special, a part of something bigger than themselves.

"Anthony Davis didn't feel the pressure of, 'I have to do this,' " said Calipari when asked about his freshman center's coolness and maturity. "It's, 'We have to do this.' "

Calipari has figured out how to keep the "me," while incorporating the "we."

And now that he's figured it out, Cal has never seemed the type to stop.

"Before I leave coaching, I want to coach a team that goes 40-0," he said. "The reason is, they say it can't be done. Well, let's go try and do it."

John Calipari may have gotten his "one" Monday night, but he's far from done.

John Clay Email: jclay@herald-leader.com. Twitter: @johnclayiv. Blog: johnclay.bloginky.com
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Old 04-04-2012, 03:09 PM
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These are all great points.

The world changes, technology changes, college basketball is changing.

You want to win you will have to go get at least one if not two one and done guys.

Recruits with good coaching (which we have) wins titles.
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Blah blah blah. Why didn't his last three teams all win NC's? Is Noel the next Davis? Will his future teams have the chemistry this one did? A group of the best freshman aren't always going to be NC-worthy. A lot of things fell right for UK this year, including the NBA lockout and Jones staying. We just went to a NC in a down year and lost to this "great" team by 8 points a year after losing two lottery picks and four starters. Self, K, Roy and Izzo aren't going to just let Calipari walk over them. We're good. Cal wants you to be talking about him. The hype is his thing. Just ignore it and we'll see them again next year.
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Old 04-04-2012, 03:38 PM
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(Yawn). Just ANOTHER example of a UK person stroking UK people. These clowns would have you believe that they'll win every title from now until Calipari retires.

Pardon me if I'm a bit hesitant to believe that line of garbage.
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Old 04-04-2012, 04:47 PM
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People have short memories. UK wins so right now everyone thinks you need the elite one and done talent. Last year UConn won and we heard that you have to play team basketball but have one goto scorer. Duke wins and it is because they play cohesive team basketball. UNC wins because they have experienced talent. KU wins because noone has an ego and anyone can be the star on any given night. Florida wins because they return every player from a national title.

There is not one winning recipe people. If we just had BMac and Traylor eligible who knows, maybe we win it this year. Then they would say you need to not recruit 5 stars?
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Old 04-04-2012, 05:14 PM
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Simple fact is he didnt win a title with all one and dones....without Miller and Lamb and Terrence Jones, they werent winning squat. Good luck getting 1st round draft picks to come back every year.

When he wins it with 5 freshman at the helm then I'll concede you can win with OAD's. But when you have lottery picks that come back to play, which wont be often. And then you pull and Anthony Davis outta your @ss on top of that....Cal really got lucky with this class, then he got even luckier UNC lost 2 starting guards in the process.

Honestly if they dont have 1 of the guys on that team Monday night they arent champs....especially w/o Davis. So to concede he's gonna pull 5 top 15 guys every year and win titles....I wish him luck.

And I dont understand why anyones worried....in the last 9 years we've been to the FF or the title game 3 times and the FF 4 times. And 2 of the times we didnt make it we were favored to win it....I mean you cant get much more consistent than that.

And contrary to popular belief I want these kids to succeed, but I'd also like to see my Hawks grow up. I love that I got to see Thomas and Tyshawn blossom and become who they are. I'm fine with having a few OAD's and we are gonna need them in the future. But teams chalked full of them I'll do w/o

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Old 04-04-2012, 07:20 PM
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Calipari is so phony that it is painful to listen to him speak. Great team this year though. Congrats to them.
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I love to see guys stay and develop, but staying doesn't guarantee a championship just like a college degree doesnt mean financial security. I like Cal. He is human and does self promote as well as any coach out there probably better than Most, but he IS right. The NCAA is the closest thing to a pimp as you can get. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting just one year, they SHOULD get to play right outta High School! I'm sure the NCAA and UK as well as all other schools make a ton of money for Marketing these kids, but something simple like a cash transfer to a kid who needs some money while away at school from a friend can shut a kid down in his senior season. Samuels wasn't a one and done, but there was no benefit to him staying when you think of how he ended up his career.
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People have short memories. UK wins so right now everyone thinks you need the elite one and done talent. Last year UConn won and we heard that you have to play team basketball but have one goto scorer. Duke wins and it is because they play cohesive team basketball. UNC wins because they have experienced talent. KU wins because noone has an ego and anyone can be the star on any given night. Florida wins because they return every player from a national title.

There is not one winning recipe people. If we just had BMac and Traylor eligible who knows, maybe we win it this year. Then they would say you need to not recruit 5 stars?
I agree that there is not a formula that gets it done everytime.
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Simple fact is he didnt win a title with all one and dones....without Miller and Lamb and Terrence Jones, they werent winning squat. Good luck getting 1st round draft picks to come back every year.

When he wins it with 5 freshman at the helm then I'll concede you can win with OAD's. But when you have lottery picks that come back to play, which wont be often. And then you pull and Anthony Davis outta your @ss on top of that....Cal really got lucky with this class, then he got even luckier UNC lost 2 starting guards in the process.

Honestly if they dont have 1 of the guys on that team Monday night they arent champs....especially w/o Davis. So to concede he's gonna pull 5 top 15 guys every year and win titles....I wish him luck.
It would be impossible to have all one-and-dones. You'd have to have 13 each year, if a team's roster were to be completely filled with first year players. And of course, I know you weren't saying that.

But regarding what you were saying-- five freshmen starting, you might see the results of that next year for Calipari.

However, here's something to think about. Kentucky did go to the elite eight his first year coaching there. So if that team hadn't had a terrible shooting night, you'd he'd have taken three straight Kentucky teams to final fours. And last year they were one bucket away from the championship game, so I know it doesn't count, but easily could have been two straight championship games.

Whatever you want to call it, and like it or not, Calipari's recruiting "formula" seems to be working.
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Doron Lamb is responsible for beating KU both times this year. He is a sophomore.... Cal has never won with all freshman. This notion is 100% ficticious.
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Doron Lamb is responsible for beating KU both times this year. He is a sophomore.... Cal has never won with all freshman. This notion is 100% ficticious.
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Without Lamb, Jones, and Miller UK does not win the title.
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Without Lamb, Jones, and Miller UK does not win the title.
So perhaps the notion that UK is strictly dependent upon one-n-done is a bit overstated...most savy basketball fans realize that it takes a special set of circumstances along with the correct mix of talent/experience/coaching/luck to be successful in the big dance..there is no magic formula...in its essence, this is what makes the race for a national championship so compelling and so rare..
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http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/...y-3-years-ncaa

Not saying this happens but....

I do like the 2/3 years of college option (football is 3 and works well)
If you do not want to go to college or can't academically then you can sign with the D-League with a decent contract (gives players a chance to help families and avoid the need to 'get payed' in college)
After the 2/3 years, all players becoming 'draft age eligible' and wanted to play in the NBA would be entered into the draft, even if you signed with a D League team. The NBA Draft would expand to 3-4 rounds and really turn the D League into a Minor League System.

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So perhaps the notion that UK is strictly dependent upon one-n-done is a bit overstated...most savy basketball fans realize that it takes a special set of circumstances along with the correct mix of talent/experience/coaching/luck to be successful in the big dance..there is no magic formula...in its essence, this is what makes the race for a national championship so compelling and so rare..
This is very true. While I stated that without Lamb, Jones, and Miller UK probably doesn't win it all--the same can probably be stated regarding Davis. His effect on the shots that he didn't block were just as damaging as the ones that he did swat. How many bunnies did KU miss? A lot of those would be attributed to his presence on the floor.

You listed four things that go into winning it all. Here's how I would rank in level of importance:

1. Talent
2. Luck
3. Coaching
4. Experience

(I went back & forth on 2 & 3).
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You could put Miller, Jones and Lamb with almost any top 25 teams other starting 2 and you would have a final 4 caliber team IMO.

For example:

Here is Kstates roster….

Terrance Jones-PF
Darius Miller-SF
Doron Lamb-PG
Jordan Henriquez-C
Rodney McGruder-SG

This starting 5 would have been damn good!
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You could put Miller, Jones and Lamb with almost any top 25 teams other starting 2 and you would have a final 4 caliber team IMO.

For example:

Here is Kstates roster….

Terrance Jones-PF
Darius Miller-SF
Doron Lamb-PG
Jordan Henriquez-C
Rodney McGruder-SG

This starting 5 would have been damn good!
This guy would've liked that lineup for next season:

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This guy would've liked that lineup for next season:

That guy would like a lot to be different with his line up next season
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(Yawn). Just ANOTHER example of a UK person stroking UK people. These clowns would have you believe that they'll win every title from now until Calipari retires.

Pardon me if I'm a bit hesitant to believe that line of garbage.
We dont think or expect to win every year...we do however expect to be in the hunt ALMOST every year. Next year may be an exception if we don't get anymore recruits. But if we land Muhammad, Noel, Bennett, Jefferson, and maybe Alex Oriachi from UConn we'll be in dandy year.

Cals theory seems to center around have a knockout year of recruiting followed by a slightly down year. 2009 knock out, 2010 was not as sharp, 2011 knockout, 2012 may not be. 2013 we're set to pull off the best yet...we're in GOOD with the Harrison twins as well as 6 or 7 other top 15 guys. But even in our 'down years' we'll still be pretty damn good...Hell our first 'down year' we went to the FF.
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The issue is getting the most of the best (talent, that is). Obviously, there's a greater chance that if you get the best talent, a greater percentage of it will be good enough to be drafted after only one year, given the current rules.

And whatever you want to call it, Calipari seems to have the system in place to appeal to the best talent, each year. The last three years he's had the number one recruiting class. And very probably he will again when all is said and done, this year. Four years running.

Whether some of that talent stays two years, or not, he's still getting more of the best of it, than any other school, based on the rankings.
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We dont think or expect to win every year...we do however expect to be in the hunt ALMOST every year. Next year may be an exception if we don't get anymore recruits. But if we land Muhammad, Noel, Bennett, Jefferson, and maybe Alex Oriachi from UConn we'll be in dandy year.

Cals theory seems to center around have a knockout year of recruiting followed by a slightly down year. 2009 knock out, 2010 was not as sharp, 2011 knockout, 2012 may not be. 2013 we're set to pull off the best yet...we're in GOOD with the Harrison twins as well as 6 or 7 other top 15 guys. But even in our 'down years' we'll still be pretty damn good...Hell our first 'down year' we went to the FF.
2013 seems like an interesting year in recruitng. KU also has 6-7 top 20 kids they are in good with. UK seems the same, and so does Duke and UNC. It will be interesting to see how everything plays out in that class.
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I might be in the minority on this but I just don't see Cal being able to keep this up. I think there will be some years with major drop offs, and let's be honest this years Kentucky team had chemistry and mixed really well. That does not and will not happen every year.
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